wat kink of church do u go to
kind
5:53pm Gilbert
I'm a Jehovah's Witness now
I knock on doors and everything lol
5:53pm Jessica
wow
5:53pm Gilbert
crazy huh, we study the bible daily
5:53pm Jessica
hey everone is diff
5:54pm Gilbert
very true, it's interesting because Witnesses were always made fun of
or called a cult
5:54pm Jessica
wat
5:55pm Gilbert
Like when you watch tv, people would make fun of Witnesses
jokes or call them a cult because they are different
5:55pm Jessica
well isnt like mormans rite
5:55pmGilbert
nope
5:56pmJessica
oh ok
5:57pmGilbert
but it gets hard to talk about God because it turns into a debate
lol
5:59pmJessica
ya i no im a christian
5:59pmGilbert
Witnesses are also Christian
5:59pmJessica
i read the new test
5:59pmGilbert
when they ask what I am, most of the time I say Christian
5:59pmJessica
really thats good
5:59pmGilbert
yeah the new is a good translation
When I say that I'm a witness it throws people off sometimes
they act different,Like my uncle and I, when he asked why I was a witness
6:01pmJessica
lol its a trip huh im nt a perfect christian and never claim to be
6:01pmGilbert
I had to explain
in truth no one can be a perfect christian
we are all imperfect
thus make mistakes
6:02pmJessica
like now my prec is talking about the ten com it is vary interesting
6:02pmGilbert
it is, I'm going to head home, I'll chat with you later on
6:03pmJessica
u should here him one day.
6:04pmJessica
He tells it like it is he does nt hide anything
6:04pmGilbert
very true, does he believe we go to heaven
6:05pmJessica
yes of course, do u
6:05pmGilbert
no,let me tell you why
Do you think Moses went to Heaven
6:06pmJessica
really why
6:06pmGilbert
Do you think Moses is in heaven
6:06pmJessica
yes he did
6:06pmGilbert
what about Abraham
6:07pmJessica
ya he did
6:07pmGilbert
Why then did Jesus need to come to Earth then if all we had to do is be good
they came before Jesus
6:07pmJessica
nt all of us go to heaven u have to ask him into ur heart
6:08pmGilbert
So let's say you did ask him in your heart
All the people that died before Jesus came to Earth, went to Heaven?
They didn't know of Jesus or that you had to ask him
6:08pmJessica
becuz adam and eve sined so we a born into sin so christ came down do die on the cross so we can go to heaven
6:09pmGilbert
but that still doesn't explain Moses and everyone else who died before Jesus came down we are taught that when you die, you go to Heaven or hell
interesting isn't it hehe be open minded
If all a person had to do before jesus was be good and they would enter Heaven
Then there would be no need for Jesus to come down
6:10pmJessica
becuz god was talking to them from heaven and they had a relationship w-god
6:10pmGilbert
but most would Agree that Moses was good But i'm sure besides Moses there was many who were good that were not mentioned in scritpure
6:12pmJessica
either way if u have him in ur heart ur goin to heaven period
yes they were good people but still born into sin and did nt no god
6:13pmGilbert
ok but if you do believe in jesus then look at his words found at John3:13
6:14pmJessica
k im looking now
6:14pmGilbert
no man ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.
which means moses didn't go only Jesus descended
6:16pmGilbert
it's hard to accept because it's what we are taught growing up it was hard for me to
6:17pmJessica
mosses spirit decended into heaven
6:17pmGilbert
would you say then that Moses would know who he is then today?
6:19pmJessica
thats a hard ques to anser cuz we dnt no if he is on earth 2day or if he is alrdy in heaven becuz in the bible spirtis r still here intill the rapture
6:19pmGilbert
in the book of Ecclesiates chapter 9 verse 5 it talks about the condition of the dead
their thoughts perish also think about this
if Death is a way for humans to get to Heaven and it's the only way
Why is god doing away with it Revelation chapter 21 verse 3 and 4
think of Lazarus did he go to heaven and where in the bible did he explain how heaven was, did jesus bring him back only to die again
those are the kinds of questions that a priest couldn't answer
I wanted to know about death and life.
If I go to heaven and I going to be able to be with my wife again, hold and hug, love and kiss, as a spirit
I wanted to know what kind of person goes to hell also If God is in control of this world why is it so bad out there remember I said cycle's break think of the pain family goes through when a loved one dies it's a never ending cycle
my kids will see me die they will see their kids die
never ending
6:25pmJessica
im thinking lol
6:25pmGilbert
hehehe
that's exactly how I was
think about this to
If our destiny is Heaven why would Jesus take us away from there
6:26pmJessica
god is nt in control god gaves us free will
6:27pmGilbert
John 5:28,29
that is very true
he isn't in control
but do you know why
if you read the book of Job it explains why
think about this as well
In the beginning
God told Adam and Eve not to eat right from the Tree of Knowledge
he told them that if they did they would die
Do you think that they would be here today if they didn't eat from it?
Adam and Eve were created perfect
until they sinned
6:30pmJessica
god would never go agaist himself god is in control but he gave us free will and i do think that they would still be here
6:31pmGilbert
because he gave us free will and didn't create robots
so they would be here today if they listened to that one requirement
but they didn't
they died
but not right then and there
they had children
abel cain
ect..
but because they were no longer perfect
they spread imperfection
thus the reason why we all die
since we are all their offspring
but it took a a man to come to earth to buy back what Adam and Eve lost
Thus comes in Jesus
he was perfect
and it took a perfect man
to save us
makes sense so far
Adam and Eve lost life
Jesus came to die to give us life
Interesting isn't it
lol
when you look at things in that light and then think about it, it makes sense
because if we die and go to Heaven directly, there would be no reason for Jesus
but it took Jesus to give us life because only he as a perfect person like Adam was to give us life
so if our live is to die and go to Heaven, the cycle would never end
and it's cruel if you think about it
if you died tomorrow
and you are looking down at your children
what can you really do to help
if you could help you would
but so would many others
When my father died
My life was horrlble
horrible
My mothers life was horrible
6:37pmJessica
god is in control but he gave us power over the world and he could just wipe us off the face of the world right now if he wanted to but all people are not going to heaven and just cause they are all good people they are not going to heaven because u need god in ur life
6:37pmGilbert
very true
but what if I was to say that we will stay on Earth and not go to Heaven
That is what Adam's purpose was
and Eve's
from the very beginning
and as mentioned if Death is the means to get to Heaven, then why is God doing away with it
very simple
in the future
we won't die at all
6:39pmJessica
to sin sogod can come and safe us.
6:39pmGilbert
sin means missing the mark of perfection
we die because adam sinned
and since he did, we all die
but god had a purpose for creating the earth
6:40pmJessica
sorry dealth was nt a way to heaven but since they sined dealth became the way to go to heaven do u believe god is here
6:40pmGilbert
on Earth?
6:40pmJessica
on earth
6:40pmGilbert
no
Exodus chapter 33 verse 20
it says that no man can see God and live
6:41pmJessica
ok but he is in spirit if u acepted him into ur heart becuz holy spirit is the god head
6:41pmGilbert
oh the trinity
6:41pmJessica
yes
6:41pmGilbert
is that what you meant
6:42pmJessica
yes
6:42pmGilbert
gotcha
One God in three Persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. Look at up New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 C.E. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, of one substance with the Father. Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination. this can be found in Encyclopædia Britannica (1970), Volume 6, page 386.
so the The Trinitarian dogma is a late fourth-century invention. this isn't what christ taught nor those who followed him
6:43pmJessica
i am just basing it off scripture
6:47pmJessica
hey i got to go
lol
6:47pmGilbert
Cool, I'll chat with you later
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